Pine Point Beach, April 9, 2014

Is all this fuss and wrangling really necessary?

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Special Facebook Edition: 3/20/2014

Jean Marie Caterina posted on her Town Councilor Facebook page (public):

3/19/2014

A couple of updates for folks. One, the bill that was proposing a casino for Scarborough was indefinitely postponed in the State Senate tonight. I did not support it for many reasons not the least of which is that Scarborough would have received very little from it. Two, I was not happy with the tone of public comments at tonight’s council meeting. I understand the frustration about the proposed dog ordinance, but to personally denigrate councilors lacks class. It does not help to advance your cause.

Good night all! I hope we have just rain

My response 3/20/2014:

Jean Marie, You are right that the responsibility for positive discourse resides in all parties. So, if the councilors are so anxious for a positive discourse, how do you account for the fact that I have emailed the entire council 5 times since December 5, and you are the only one who has responded to every single email, even if it is just a “thanks for writing” type of response? Of the rest of the council, Councilor Holbrook responded once, and Councilor Benedict responded twice. Other than that, All 5 emails have been met with complete silence by all the rest of the council. That is SHAMEFUL! As you said, positive discourse goes both ways and I’d say the council (aside from you) is failing their part of things.

Councilor Caterina’s response 3/20/2014

Thank you, Catherine. We can only work harder to improve communication.

Email to the Council 3/19/2014

Off leash beach hours

Dear Councilors,

I would like to follow up on the idea that splitting up the day in the off season is fair because DOGS are being given 75% of the day and anti-dog people are being given 25% of the day, just like the vote.  That might be a fair and valid distribution of hours if you were applying this year round.  Are the DOGS getting 75% of the time 12 months of the year? No, of course not!  You are only applying it to 7 months of the year.

For 5 months of the year, the anti-dog people are getting FAR more than 25% of the available daylight hours.  In fact, depending on the activities of the birds, the anti-dog people might be getting ALL the time for 5 months of the year.  SO how is it fair that the off season is divided up 75/25 to reflect the vote?  Two words, IT ISN’T.

So please don’t accuse me of being unwilling to compromise.  There is NO compromise reflected in this plan.  You should be ensuring that because the DOGS are losing so much time that they had before in the spring and summer that there is ALWAYS a time and place on the beaches in the off season for dogs to be off leash.  I don’t mind if the anti-dog people have some time, somewhere during the off season to go…. In fact they already do!  But please don’t couch your ideas for the off season in terms of compromise or fairness because it most is certainly neither

 Catherine Rogers

Sent to:

Councilor Blaise: No response

Councilor Benedict: Response 3/19/2014

As I explained to you a week ago, come to our meeting tonite. I did explain what was going on however you choose to only pull certain info to bring up again ! Please work with us .

Jim Benedict

Councilor Caterina: Response 3/19/2014

Hi. Catherine – Please remember that we have not passed any Ordinance yet. These are all proposed rules. There will be time for input when the PROPOSED ordinance is published , probably in time for the first April council meeting. There will be two public hearings.  (Sorry to capitalize the proposed part, but folks seem to think the ordinance is done). 🙂

Thanks.

JMC

Jean-Marie Caterina

Scarborough Town Council

Councilor Donovan: No response

Councilor Holbrook: No response

Councilor St. Clair: Response 4/5/2014

Mrs Rogers

I was hoping to get some more feedback from you…winter hours…if I need to provide two hours during the day for people to walk on the beach with no dogs…anytime during the day. What do you see working?  Maybe even one hour….or do you feel strongly it’s not needed.  I appreciate the input.

Thank you.

Kate St.Clair

Town Councilor

My response 4/5/2014:

Hi Councilor St. Clair,

First, I do feel strongly that the winter hours are unfair and unnecessary in light of all the restrictions that are being considered in the Spring and Summer.

However, in the spirit of “if you don’t vote, don’t complain” I will give you some suggestions that might be acceptable to me and might be acceptable to some others (although I speak for no one but myself.)  If there must be winter hours, why does it have to be on all three beaches?  I would say 1 or at the most 2 hours a day when dogs must be leashed on one beach, or part of one beach might be something people could live with.  For instance, if you were considering Pine Point to be the ONE beach for some leashed winter hours, from Hurd park to the jetty for a couple of hours a day might be acceptable because the people who want to have their dog off leash can just go the other way.  I’m not familiar enough with the other beaches to offer suggestions on dividing those beaches up.   Choosing part of one beach, or even one whole beach to be the place where dogs must be leashed a couple of hours a day means the 27% of voters in town who think dogs should be leashed have some beach time every day – not a lot, and not everywhere, but since those voters are the minority, it is more than fair.  BUT, there will also ALWAYS be a place on the town beaches in the off season, no matter what time of day it is, that a dog can run off leash.  If there were occasions when I had to walk toward Old Orchard rather than toward the jetty I could live with that, or even if there were times when I had to go to Ferry Beach or Higgins Beach instead of Pine Point I could probably live with that too.

So in summary, I feel strongly that there shouldn’t be any off season restrictions at all.  But if there must be off season restrictions, they should be crafted in such a way that there is always a place on the beaches in town that dogs can be off leash no matter what time a day it is.  If you do that, which hours you pick won’t matter to me.  If ALL the beaches ban off leash dogs for a chunk of the day, every day in the off season, you’ll never be able to please everyone or even most people no matter which hours you choose.

Two other things, first, your email said, “if I need to provide two hours during the day for people to walk on the beach with no dogs” Did you mean no dogs at all, or dogs on a leash?  I don’t think “no dogs at all” is going to fly anywhere, especially for people with beachfront property.

Second, I’m attaching a picture that has been making the rounds and was taken on Higgins beach this week.  Did you know the state has posted, (to quote the photographer) “A new sign on Higgins Beach. Goes all the way to the Spurwink River and back into the dunes to the small cove. Looks like this is for every one…not just dogs” ? It says no trespassing and was posted by the Maine Fish and Wildlife folks.  No dogs OR people…  I know a lot of people don’t take the DOGS group seriously when they say, “first dogs then people” but perhaps this new sign should get the council thinking about the slippery slope this whole thing is.

Thanks for your email and for all your hard work.

Catherine

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Councilor St. Clair: Response 4/5/2014

Thank you Catherine.  I very much appreciate your feedback.  Give me a few days and I will get back to you.  As I have said to a few people today…thank you for your willingness to continue working thru this even though it hasn’t always been easy. I really do love this town and I’m going to do everything I can to make this better.

Kate St.Clair

Town Councilor

Councilor Sullivan: Response 4/3/2014

Catherine

Please excerpt my apologies on two issues.

First for not returning emails to you and second for interrupting you at the podium. I missed the line where it referred to the Tags Program.

I was defiantly a no vote for the Ad Hoc Committees recommendations, Councilor Holbrook, St Clair and my vote were not enough to stop the Ad Hoc Committees recommendations from passing. Katy Foley and I sat down to come to a compromise proposal that most could live with. After last night it looks like we’re not there yet but maybe close. The comments last night were not take lightly. Jessica, Kate and I will try to work with our fellow Councilors to change the Winter hours and the language concerning the wondering Plover chicks. This should guarantee year round off leash time.

Thank you for taking the time to address the Council the numerous times you have.

Richard

Sincerely

Richard J Sullivan Jr

Scarborough Town Council

My response 4/5/2014:

Hi Richard,

Thank you for your email and thank you for trying to work out a better solution for a compromise proposal.  Kate St. Clair emailed me today for input about winter hours and I just sent her my ideas.  I thought perhaps you’d like to see what I wrote to her as well so I’m copying it below.  In the email below also I refer to a picture of a sign that has recently gone up on Higgins beach.  I’m happy to send you a copy of that picture also if you would like it.  Please let me know.

Thanks,

Catherine

Hi Councilor St. Clair,

First, I do feel strongly that the winter hours are unfair and unnecessary in light of all the restrictions that are being considered in the Spring and Summer.

However, in the spirit of “if you don’t vote, don’t complain” I will give you some suggestions that might be acceptable to me and might be acceptable to some others (although I speak for no one but myself.)  If there must be winter hours, why does it have to be on all three beaches?  I would say 1 or at the most 2 hours a day when dogs must be leashed on one beach, or part of one beach might be something people could live with.  For instance, if you were considering Pine Point to be the ONE beach for some leashed winter hours, from Hurd park to the jetty for a couple of hours a day might be acceptable because the people who want to have their dog off leash can just go the other way.  I’m not familiar enough with the other beaches to offer suggestions on dividing those beaches up.   Choosing part of one beach, or even one whole beach to be the place where dogs must be leashed a couple of hours a day means the 27% of voters in town who think dogs should be leashed have some beach time every day – not a lot, and not everywhere, but since those voters are the minority, it is more than fair.  BUT, there will also ALWAYS be a place on the town beaches in the off season, no matter what time of day it is, that a dog can run off leash.  If there were occasions when I had to walk toward Old Orchard rather than toward the jetty I could live with that, or even if there were times when I had to go to Ferry Beach or Higgins Beach instead of Pine Point I could probably live with that too.

So in summary, I feel strongly that there shouldn’t be any off season restrictions at all.  But if there must be off season restrictions, they should be crafted in such a way that there is always a place on the beaches in town that dogs can be off leash no matter what time a day it is.  If you do that, which hours you pick won’t matter to me.  If ALL the beaches ban off leash dogs for a chunk of the day, every day in the off season, you’ll never be able to please everyone or even most people no matter which hours you choose.

Two other things, first, your email said, “if I need to provide two hours during the day for people to walk on the beach with no dogs” Did you mean no dogs at all, or dogs on a leash?  I don’t think “no dogs at all” is going to fly anywhere, especially for people with beachfront property.

Second, I’m attaching a picture that has been making the rounds and was taken on Higgins beach this week.  Did you know the state has posted, (to quote the photographer) “A new sign on Higgins Beach. Goes all the way to the Spurwink River and back into the dunes to the small cove. Looks like this is for every one…not just dogs” ? It says no trespassing and was posted by the Maine Fish and Wildlife folks.  No dogs OR people…  I know a lot of people don’t take the DOGS group seriously when they say, “first dogs then people” but perhaps this new sign should get the council thinking about the slippery slope this whole thing is.

Thanks for your email and for all your hard work.

Catherine

Email to the Council 3/14/2014

Off-season beach hours

Dear Councilors,

I am writing again about the off-season beach hours that you are considering putting in place. I would also ask you to PLEASE just take a few minutes to look at the photo album that I have uploaded to my Google + account (you do not have to join Google + to look at it).  I spent hours this week going through my photos and have accumulated 7 years worth of pictures of Pine Point Beach in the off season.  The pictures are labeled by year, month and time and I hope that they demonstrate to you the fact that the beach in the off season is so empty!  There are very few people there and it is easy to avoid each other if you want to.

This is the link:
https://plus.google.com/photos/112448941683698855678/albums/5990682852098624833

As a personal example of why the winter hours are so problematic for someone like me, in the off season I go to the beach with my dog:

-on one of my three days off per week.

-when the weather is good

-when the tide is low in the late morning or early afternoon

-when my busy schedule allows

Which means, I am lucky to get there once every other week.  If, in addition, you add unnecessary restrictions between the hours of 11 – 2, I’ll be lucky to get there once a month!  It will be very hard to sit at home between 11 – 2 and miss my beach time, knowing all the while that the beach is almost completely empty.  Please, please, please look at these pictures with an open mind and reconsider the off season restrictions!

Thank you very much,

Catherine Rogers

Sent to:

Councilor Blaise: No response

Councilor Benedict: Response 3/14/2014

Catherine,I read your email and am confused.You,ve only shown a few pics during our purposed on leash hours for the benefit of our taxpayers. I dont understand why your point.Were only given the public 3 hours a day.Help me .

Jim Benedict

My response: 3/14/2014

Councilor Benedict,

Thank you for looking at the pictures and asking about the different times that the pictures are taken.  I included pictures from many different times of day, from almost all months of the “off-season” (apparently even I don’t go to the beach in February) to show you and the rest of the councilors that in my experience, on Pine Point Beach, any time that I have been there in the off season, no matter what time of day it is, the beach has been practically deserted.  There has never been a time that it has been difficult for me to avoid other people who don’t want my dog near them and for other people to avoid me if they want. 

The point of my pictures is to show you the wide expanse of beach with a few figures here and there, no matter what time of day it is and what day of the year.  The point of my pictures is that requiring leashes in the off season is not necessary.  You aren’t giving “the taxpayers” (of which I am one) just three hours of the day.  What you want to do is give a very small percentage of people in this town three hours in the middle of the day, when the sun is high and the temperature is at its warmest.  That makes a huge difference in the winter especially when the days are short.  You want to do this on all the beaches in town, every single day, all year round, even when the beaches are practically deserted.  That is not fair. 

As much as you may not like me, or think I am a pest, I am also a taxpayer in this town.  And I love to take my dog for a run on the beach when the tide is low and the weather is decent, when I have the day off and I don’t have too much work to do – no matter what time of day it is.  I hope you and the rest of the councilors will reconsider the winter restrictions.

Thank you,
Catherine

Councilor Benedict: Response 3/15/2014

The taxpayers are entitled to some time also. There are 12 hours available and like the vote the dogs are getting 75 per cent of the time and taxpayers are getting 25 per cent. Compromise is what you forget. Were simply trying to satisfy as many people as possible Because you don’t go in February should we close the beach to dogs and give the people 100 per cent of the time. Probably not.Meeting on Wed. Nite- See you there.

Jim Benedict

My response 3/15/2014

Are the DOGS getting 75% of the time in the summer too? If not, that should also be included in your math.And I would also like to remind you that I AM a taxpayer.  I’m a little confused why you are implying that I am not.  I own my house and pay taxes on it. I’m a business owner in this town and pay annual taxes on my business property as well.  My property may not be at the beach, but my taxes count as much as anyone elses.

Thanks,

Catherine

Councilor Benedict: Response 3/15/2014

If you read the paper it will tell you ALL about it. I dont know why you feel I don’t like you. You have no basis for that accusation. Come say Hi at the meeting.

Jim

Councilor Caterina: Response 3/14/2014

Hi, Catherine – Thank you for the pictures. I spend many hours in winter walking on the beaches myself and,depending on the weather, they may or may not be populated by many folks. Speaking for myself, I am supportive of time offseason that requires dogs to be leashed. This is a people issue. We have had folks ask for this time. It was proposed as part of the fair and balanced beach use requested by all parties. Does it need to be exactly these hours? Maybe not. However, we do need to add on leash hours in winter.

We will be holding hearings on the proposed ordinance once the language is refined.  I encourage you to speak at that time.

Thank you for contacting us.

Best,

JMC

Jean-Marie Caterina

Scarborough Town Council

Councilor Donovan: No response

Councilor Holbrook: No response

Councilor St. Clair: No response

Councilor Sullivan: No response

Email to the Council 3/8/2014

Dear Councilors,

I understand that you are considering requiring leashes on dogs on all beaches from 11-2 during the off-season.  I hope that you will reconsider this idea for the following reasons:

-The new spring and summer rules are taking away a huge amount of “off-leash” time already.  Taking away 3 prime hours in the middle of the day on every beach every day in the off-season is unfair.

-The majority of the people who use the beaches in the off-season are dog walkers. When I am on Pine Point with my dog in the off-season, I see very few people there who don’t have dogs with them.  “Leash only” hours in the off season is unfair to the majority of people who use the beach in the off-season and to the majority of the people in town who voted against leashes year-round in the referendum.

-Much of the time, during the off season, the beach is practically deserted.  There have been many times when I’ve seen maybe 3 people the entire time I’ve been there.  That’s because (due to my work schedule) I go weekdays only, when the tide is low during the day (often during the very time that you are considering requiring leashes.)  For instance, I could go on a Tuesday in November at 1 pm when the tide is low and the beach is deserted except for a few dog walkers.  It doesn’t make any sense to require that I keep my dog on a leash at that time.

I am not against having places and times where dogs are not allowed or where dogs must be leashed.  I sympathize with people who don’t want strange dogs approaching them.  But there already are such places in Scarborough (including beaches), year-round.

The additional restrictions you are considering are overkill.  There has already been so much compromise in the Spring and Summer.  Please just leave the rest of the year alone and keep the rules as they are.

Thank you,

Catherine Rogers

Sent to:

Councilor Blaise: No response

Councilor Benedict: No response

Councilor Caterina:  Response, 3/9/2014

Thank you, Catherine. I can understand your concern about the on leash time during the so called off season. However, in fairness to all who use the beaches, the element of having time for people who are concerned about dogs was introduced by the Ad Hoc Committee. We agreed as a Council that that element would remain in our final recommended rules.

Please know that you are always welcome to make your concerns known as you have through this email and by speaking at the meetings where we will be having readings of the proposed ordinance .  No one is happy with all of the elements of the proposed ordinance, but that is the nature of compromise. No one wins everything. Everyone wins something.

Thank you again for reaching out. I am happy to listen to all sides of an issue while I formulate my final vote.

Best,

JMC

Jean-Marie Caterina

Scarborough Town Council

I return all emails after 5 pm daily. Email is best.

Thank you for contacting me!

Councilor Donovan: No response

Councilor Holbrook: No response

Councilor St. Clair: No response

Councilor Sullivan: No response

Email to the Council 1/13/2014

Dear Councilors,

I have seen many emails sent to this council concerning the ad hoc committee and how it has been stacked to ensure a 4-3 vote to leash dogs on the beach all spring, summer and part of the fall. I think that is very true and obvious to everyone on all sides of the issue.

However, I would also like to point out that the committee is stacked in terms of expertise as well. There is not a single dog professional, or dog expert of any kind on the ad hoc committee.  How in the world is it appropriate to form a committee to deal with the animal control ordinance provisions relating to dogs and not have a dog expert on the committee?  It might be appropriate if the entire committee was composed of non-experts and they were inviting experts in to speak to the committee on their areas of expertise.  But the committee doesn’t plan to invite any speakers because “there is no time.”

The committee does have a few “experts” though.  There is an ornithology expert, there is someone who has been a Plover monitor since the 70’s, there is an attorney, (all voting for leashing the dogs of course.) But there isn’t a single person with either professional or competitive dog experience or expertise on this committee. There isn’t a dog trainer, or someone who competes with their dogs, or a dog daycare owner, or a vet, or a vet tech, or even a dog sitter or a dog walker.  The council was offered names of people with those types of qualifications who were willing to serve on the committee, but of course they were rejected.

So how is the ad hoc committee even going to address dog-related issues? Well, that was clear from the second meeting when one member of the committee stated that voice control doesn’t work because she has trained her dogs really well but they still run away from her a couple times of year.  Seriously?  That’s the only type of discussion it takes to decide voice control can’t work?    Personal experiences of members of the committee? One person’s experience with their own “well-trained” dogs who just have this bad habit of running away occasionally is going to be the standard?  No professional opinions?

Of course there WON’T be professional opinions or suggestions because 1. there ARE no dog professionals on the committee,  2. because the committee is determined to meet an unrealistic deadline and has no time to call for professional testimony and 3. the majority of the committee is already convinced that dogs need to be leashed during the spring, summer and part of the fall, so why waste time asking for another opinion?

Speaking of professionals, there is a lawyer/council member on the committee, Councilor Donovan.  There isn’t a lawyer on the DOGS side. There are plenty of people in the DOGS group who are lawyers.   Names of those people were also offered and rejected for the ad hoc committee. So instead of a balance, a lawyer on both sides, we have councilor Donovan presenting his interpretations of legal issues as THE LAW.  There is no one on the committee to call him on that, to counter the “voice of authority” that he is using to convince the committee that what he says is black and white and not subject to challenge or interpretation. There is no one to offer an alternative legal interpretation – of which there are plenty.

I am proud of the members of the committee that ARE on the “dogs side.”  They are doing a great job in difficult circumstances.  I bring up the composition of the committee not to disparage them but to point out the fact that this committee is stacked.  And it is stacked in more ways than one – both in numbers and in composition.  This committee is an embarrassment to this town.  It is clear, not only in terms of the numbers of votes but in terms of expertise, that the purpose of this committee is to present the council with the results it wants and to do it in such a way that the voice of the majority is not heard.

Fortunately the majority that voted in December will also be voting again in November.  And THAT vote won’t be so easily ignored.

Sincerely,

Catherine Rogers

Sent to:

Councilor Blaise: No response

Councilor Benedict: No response

Councilor Caterina: Response 1/13/14:

Hi, Catherine – I appreciate your input. I think that we all need to let the committee do its work and not prejudge the outcome. I have no idea what they might devise, but I remain hopeful that a spirit of give and take prevails.

Best,

JMC

Jean-Marie Caterina

Scarborough Town Council

Councilor Donovan: No response

Councilor Holbrook: No response

Councilor St. Clair: No response

Councilor Sullivan: No response

Email to the council on 12/5/2013

“Dear Councilors,

I have some thoughts concerning the discussions that occurred last night that I hope you will consider.

First, honor the will of the people.  I heard a lot of, “We want to honor the will of the people, but…” which frankly isn’t really honoring the will of the people. I’m not sure how much louder and clearer the people can be than by what happened at the polls this week. Approximately 3 out of 4 people voted that they do not want a town wide leash law that designates certain off-leash areas for dogs.  They don’t want that.  And yet, I heard A LOT last night about designating off-leash areas.  So why are you still discussing designating off-leash areas?  Well, your answer, presumably, would be, “Because we represent everyone, not just 3 out of 4 people. And ¼ of the people want there to be a town wide leash law with separate off-leash areas for dogs.”  When you approach the problem that way, when you say we need to designate off-leash areas, you aren’t considering the will of the people, you are TOTALLY IGNORING IT.

If you are really considering the will of the people, the more appropriate approach would be to say, “Alright, most people didn’t like our idea of a town-wide leash law with designated off-leash areas, so that is off the table.”  Then find another solution.  How about this one?  If you want to take into account the needs of the minority who prefer to walk in areas where all dogs are leashed dogs, how about designating a few areas in town that dogs are not allowed off leash? Maybe part of a beach, a park, some trails?  People who want to get away from dogs should have places to go, no doubt about that.  But as councilors you represent EVERYONE, not just the minority.  And the MAJORITY voted against your ideas for designated areas for unleashed dogs.  Even though you don’t agree, I ask that you honor the will of the people.  Because it couldn’t be more clear than what happened at the election this week.

Second, start building bridges.  This is your opportunity.  It’s time for bridges, not walls. You have a choice. You have a very talented group of citizens at your disposal. You have seen what they can accomplish in two short months. And they are here to stay. So your choice is whether to build bridges and allow all the citizens of Scarborough to work together to come up with solutions to the problems we face OR to put up walls and continue to battle with the very people you represent. Bridges or walls. It’s up to you. Personally I hope it will be bridges, because if and when you start to build that bridge I think you will find the citizens of Scarborough working on that bridge with you. And maybe we can accomplish something really good together.

To that point, I would like to address the idea of an ad hoc committee.  I strongly disagree with the proposed members of this committee.  As I said at the meeting last night, it is totally inappropriate to include the fish and wildlife people in this committee.  My understanding is that the goals of the committee are two-fold. One is dealing with the dog ordinance and the other is how to deal with Fish and Wildlife… because they threatened the town with a fine… because they negotiated a legal settlement with the town… because they may claim the town breached the settlement agreement and may try to reinstate that fine.  It is totally inappropriate for them to be on this ad hoc committee.  They have placed themselves in an adversarial position to the town.  They are the other party in a legal dispute.  They should not be on the town committee that is tasked with deciding what to do about them!

I can see wanting to include community services, and VIP’s, but why the Land Trust?  Land trust land is not town owned or controlled land.  Why the Audubon?  The PEOPLE of this town want a voice. They have made THAT very clear.  This is your perfect opportunity to give it to them.  You can open up the process to the people in this town and give us all – people on all sides of the issue with differing opinions – an opportunity to collaborate together and create something that works for everyone.   Or you can stack the committee with people who you will produce the result that you think they should.  The ad hoc committee should be a committee of the citizens of this town.  If they want to hear from the different parties such as Fish and wildlife, Audubon, land trust, etc. for input, fine, but please leave the committee in the hands of the REAL stake-holders in this town – the citizens of Scarborough.  It’s time to start building bridges to the people you represent instead of building more walls.

Sincerely,

Catherine Rogers”

Sent to:

Councilor Sullivan : no response

Councilor Holbrook : response 12/6/2013

Good evening,

Thank you for your recent letter. Certainly, a workshop is merely a brain storming session. I am pleased and hopeful that moving forward, we will have a committee in place that can successfully readdress the issues. The point made during comment and in your letter that USFW should be in a consulting/presenting role rather than a participant, is noted and well taken. 

As for the dynamics for the members of the ad-hoc committee, for me it was a brain storming session and I was merely stating parties involved. A “stacked” committee of either disposition is undesirable. I’m confident there will be a good mix of “at large” members as well as a representation of parties involved. There is also usually a requirement that committee members must be town residents. 

Hopefully I can answer your question and concerns of why I think the land trust and ET should be included. The lands held in their possession like Fuller Farm, Sewell Woods, ET trail and etc.  are privately owned properties (the largest next to the beaches)  that the citizens go to with their dogs and in some cases to be off leash. 

That being said, I am aware of Land Trust discussions considering revoking or diminishing that privilege… which is their legal right. My hope is that by asking them to come to the table as well, it incubates good will and encourages those places to remain viable. 

Again, I hope I’ve answered some of your questions and concerns. 

Sincerely,

Jessica Holbrook

Councilor Benedict : no response

Councilor Blaise : no response

Councilor St. Clair : no response

Councilor Donovan: no response

Councilor Caterina: response 12/5/2013

“Thanks, Catherine. I am so glad you made it to the meeting last night. I appreciated your point about US Wildlife involvement as a member. If we can get them to present to a committee would be more appropriate.

Please stay involved. I look forward to moving forward to design equitable solutions.

Best,

JMC

Jean-Marie Caterina

Scarborough Town Council

I return all phone calls and emails after 5 pm daily.

Thank you for contacting me!”